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A lot of arbitrary decisions, and reopens the possibility of dealmaking (I'll vote for Santo this year if you vote for Grich next year kind of stuff (though that probably isn't the best example as I believe both santo and Grich HOF worthy))
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:07 PM
JamesI, on 28 July 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:
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A lot of arbitrary decisions, and reopens the possibility of dealmaking (I'll vote for Santo this year if you vote for Grich next year kind of stuff (though that probably isn't the best example as I believe both santo and Grich HOF worthy))
A lot of arbitrary decisions, and reopens the possibility of dealmaking (I'll vote for Santo this year if you vote for Grich next year kind of stuff (though that probably isn't the best example as I believe both santo and Grich HOF worthy))
why dont they just rename it the hall of the pretty good players I played with...
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:47 PM
The vet's committee has been responsible for correcting some glaring oversights of very deserving players, as well as selecting some of the most marginal players imaginable.
It's like a country music radio station -- you take the good with the bad.
It's like a country music radio station -- you take the good with the bad.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 04:49 PM
1947-72 is the "Golden Era?" Why? What good could possibly come out of naming it such?
The Hall's release.
Totally with Neyer on this one. Why would you name a "Historical Overview Committee" that doesn't even have a historian on it? Another bad decision by a body that has a history of them.
The Hall's release.
Totally with Neyer on this one. Why would you name a "Historical Overview Committee" that doesn't even have a historian on it? Another bad decision by a body that has a history of them.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:24 PM
Probably not worth the bother, but I wonder ...
If we made teams of the best VC selecteess versus the worst BBWAA selectees, covering all positions, who would win?
Right off the bat, the VC has Jimmie Foxx at 1B. Other than that, it would take some research.
If we made teams of the best VC selecteess versus the worst BBWAA selectees, covering all positions, who would win?
Right off the bat, the VC has Jimmie Foxx at 1B. Other than that, it would take some research.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 08:46 AM
Oh, the VC's best would beat the BBWAA's worst, but it would be close.
"For lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land." Song of Solomon 2:11-12, via Ernie Harwell.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 11:31 AM
Ytown Tribe fan, on 29 July 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:
Probably not worth the bother, but I wonder ...
If we made teams of the best VC selecteess versus the worst BBWAA selectees, covering all positions, who would win?
Right off the bat, the VC has Jimmie Foxx at 1B. Other than that, it would take some research.
If we made teams of the best VC selecteess versus the worst BBWAA selectees, covering all positions, who would win?
Right off the bat, the VC has Jimmie Foxx at 1B. Other than that, it would take some research.
foxx was a vets selection?he was not voted in? HUNH????????????????
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"I got a kid, Goose Goselin,who is 20 years old. And in ten years time, he has a very good chance of being 30."
Casey Stengel
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://thejesusufi.blogspot.com/
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 04:48 PM
No, he wasn't. My mistake on that. He was elected by the BBWAA right away. For some reason, I was thinking Chuck Klein and put Jimmie Foxx instead.
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Don't listen to me. I do not know what I'm talking about, usually.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 11:15 AM
The VC team would be, roughly, the 19th century all-stars. It would look something like this: C Buck Ewing, 1B Dan Brouthers or Roger Connor, 2B Bid McPhee, SS George Davis, 3B Jimmy Collins, OF Sam Crawford, Billy Hamilton, and Sam Thompson, DH Cap Anson. We could spice it with some 20th century guys like Arky Vaughan, Enos Slaughter, Pee Wee Reese, Johnny Mize, Nellie Fox, Richie Ashburn, and Home Run Baker. Pitchers could include Kid Nichols, Tim Keefe, Joe McGinnity, Eddie Plank, and Old Hoss Radbourn.
A quick look at the worst team you could form from BBWAA selections: C Roger Bresnahan, 1B Tony Perez, 2B Ryne Sandberg, SS Rabbit Maranville, 3B Pie Traynor, OF Andre Dawson, Ralph Kiner, and Jim Rice, P Catfish Hunter, Herb Pennock, RP Rollie Fingers.
Noticed this: the BBWAA hasn't really elected a debatable second baseman. All of those choices are solid.
A quick look at the worst team you could form from BBWAA selections: C Roger Bresnahan, 1B Tony Perez, 2B Ryne Sandberg, SS Rabbit Maranville, 3B Pie Traynor, OF Andre Dawson, Ralph Kiner, and Jim Rice, P Catfish Hunter, Herb Pennock, RP Rollie Fingers.
Noticed this: the BBWAA hasn't really elected a debatable second baseman. All of those choices are solid.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 03:31 PM
Good work, Shawn. It would be close, since the old timers don't really translate to modern players very well. The VC team would have some defensive greats from over a century ago, plus you gotta love Kid Nichols. Third base and first base would be a big edge for the VC team and the outfield would be some guys who could run and chase down the line drives that the BBWAA sluggers would be hitting all over the place.
There isn't anyone on your VC team that isn't a true HoFer. Connor, Hamilton, Crawford, Nichols, Anson ... this is a fine team.
There isn't anyone on your VC team that isn't a true HoFer. Connor, Hamilton, Crawford, Nichols, Anson ... this is a fine team.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 12:08 PM
sweaver, on 02 August 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:
The VC team would be, roughly, the 19th century all-stars. It would look something like this: C Buck Ewing, 1B Dan Brouthers or Roger Connor, 2B Bid McPhee, SS George Davis, 3B Jimmy Collins, OF Sam Crawford, Billy Hamilton, and Sam Thompson, DH Cap Anson. We could spice it with some 20th century guys like Arky Vaughan, Enos Slaughter, Pee Wee Reese, Johnny Mize, Nellie Fox, Richie Ashburn, and Home Run Baker. Pitchers could include Kid Nichols, Tim Keefe, Joe McGinnity, Eddie Plank, and Old Hoss Radbourn.
A quick look at the worst team you could form from BBWAA selections: C Roger Bresnahan, 1B Tony Perez, 2B Ryne Sandberg, SS Rabbit Maranville, 3B Pie Traynor, OF Andre Dawson, Ralph Kiner, and Jim Rice, P Catfish Hunter, Herb Pennock, RP Rollie Fingers.
Noticed this: the BBWAA hasn't really elected a debatable second baseman. All of those choices are solid.
A quick look at the worst team you could form from BBWAA selections: C Roger Bresnahan, 1B Tony Perez, 2B Ryne Sandberg, SS Rabbit Maranville, 3B Pie Traynor, OF Andre Dawson, Ralph Kiner, and Jim Rice, P Catfish Hunter, Herb Pennock, RP Rollie Fingers.
Noticed this: the BBWAA hasn't really elected a debatable second baseman. All of those choices are solid.
that not too shabby an outfield,Shawn...Catfish was a terrific pitcher...Oh I don't know...
Every day do something that won't compute. Love the Lord. Love the world. Work for nothing... Love someone who doesn't deserve it... Plant sequoias... Practice resurrection."
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"I got a kid, Goose Goselin,who is 20 years old. And in ten years time, he has a very good chance of being 30."
Casey Stengel
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://thejesusufi.blogspot.com/
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 04:58 PM
It may be worth noting that the VC hasn't elected a reliever yet. Some day they will.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 07:30 PM
sweaver, on 08 August 2010 - 05:58 PM, said:
It may be worth noting that the VC hasn't elected a reliever yet. Some day they will.
I might throw cheese at the building if they elect John Franco.I will move to Fiji and make potato sculptures and sell spinach popcorn
Every day do something that won't compute. Love the Lord. Love the world. Work for nothing... Love someone who doesn't deserve it... Plant sequoias... Practice resurrection."
WENDELL BERRY
"I got a kid, Goose Goselin,who is 20 years old. And in ten years time, he has a very good chance of being 30."
Casey Stengel
"One cannot hold a reasonable debate with stupidity,"
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://thejesusufi.blogspot.com/
WENDELL BERRY
"I got a kid, Goose Goselin,who is 20 years old. And in ten years time, he has a very good chance of being 30."
Casey Stengel
"One cannot hold a reasonable debate with stupidity,"
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://thejesusufi.blogspot.com/
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 07:25 AM
pathogan, on 08 August 2010 - 07:30 PM, said:
sweaver, on 08 August 2010 - 05:58 PM, said:
It may be worth noting that the VC hasn't elected a reliever yet. Some day they will.
I might throw cheese at the building if they elect John Franco.I will move to Fiji and make potato sculptures and sell spinach popcorn
The VC will elect Trevor Hoffman (assuming the Writers don't) and Lee Smith. Not Franco.
Didn't the VC elect Hoyt Wilhelm? nevermind, I guess he did get in by the writers.
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:55 AM
pathogan, on 08 August 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:
I might throw cheese at the building if they elect John Franco.I will move to Fiji and make potato sculptures and sell spinach popcorn
I thought that was what you did now, Pat.
"For lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land." Song of Solomon 2:11-12, via Ernie Harwell.